COMMITTED THE FIRST SIN

 committed the first sin

Matt Barber of the conservative Liberty Council went off on “homosexual activists” earlier this week, accusing pro-marriage equality folks of gradually leading America onto a road of polygamy and incest, hell-bent on “deconstructing the Judeo-Christian notion of marriage as marriage has always been.”

Let’s be generous to Mr. Barber and assume that whatever is in the Bible – as disagreeable and detestable as some of it may be (remember, the Bible supports slavery, as well as putting gays to death) – is right. According to Barber, homosexual fornicators are the bringers of polygamy and incest, while Matt’s righteous heterosexual living has been society’s saving grace. But reading from the Book of Genesis all the way through to the Book of Revelation, it’s not been gay people who have multiplied across generations via polygamy and incest – it’s been straight people.

Take Earth’s very first humans (according to the Bible). Bigots will tell you there was no such thing as “Adam and Steve.” And they are correct, because it was actually Adam and Eve’schildren who were forced by God to commit incest in order to populate the earth.  It was also Adam and Eve who are responsible for kicking mankind out of paradise (Eve taking that bite of the apple).  And it was Adam and Eve’s child Cain who committed the first murder.

This isn’t even mentioning the fact that Adam and Eve lived in sin, since it’s not entirely clear they were ever married.

Adam and Eve’s other kids include Seth, as well as “other sons and daughters” the Bible neglects to name (they probably got into lousy colleges or something). Even more interesting? Not one homosexual to be seen.

The Bible continues on with more accounts of heterosexual incest, including Lot and his daughters, Abraham’s marriage to his half-sister Sarah, and Isaac’s marriage to his cousin Rebekah. If traditional, Biblical marriage means having to marry one of my sisters, or that weird cousin with the One Direction obsession, count me out.

Matt also insists that gay marriage will lead to polygamy. Returning to the Bible (the one book that matters, remember?), it’s not gays who have monster-trucked society via polygamy, but rather heterosexuals. Countless Old Testament figures revered by Christians had multiple wives, including Abraham (a double-whammy, since he’s also the incest guy previously mentioned), King David, King Solomon, Moses, Gideon, and Saul.

Again, not one homo in the bunch.

Even more telling are Bible verses seemingly condoning heterosexual polygamy, like Deuteronomy 21:15 (“If a man has two wives, and he loves one but not the other…). Equally awkward is that conservatives frequently cite this very book when condemning homosexuality. But it’s not like bigots are known for cherry-picking the Bible or anything like that.

And finally, when it comes to the Gingrich Award for Most Wives, the honor goes to David’s son Solomon, who had 700 wives and 300 concubines to his credit. Again, none of those seemed to be gay marriages, but rather traditional, Biblical, heterosexual marriages. Sure, today’s conservatives claim that marriage is between one man and woman, but if we’re following the word of God as shown in the Bible, Newt deserves to get his bush burned for not having married all three of his wives at once.

Matt Barber want us to believe that gay marriage is to blame for society’s downfall, and will be ultimately responsible for destroying traditional marriage. Except that claim couldn’t be any more false. Some Bible study would show that it’s never been gays who have been responsible for these acts, but rather heterosexuals. Furthermore, when it comes to redefining traditional marriage, it’s heterosexuals who no longer follow the Biblical tradition of marrying 700 women at once.

Now excuse me while I go wash my eyes out with bleach.

Rape and incest case is put off for 81st time

Rape and incest case is put off for 81st time

HE sentencing of a man convicted of raping and fathering three children with his 13-year-old daughter was postponed for the 81st time in the Nelspruit Regional Court yesterday.

This time because the 54-year-old man’s lawyer, advocate D Chambale, was absent, prosecutor Elise du Plessis told the court.

At 9.24am, the accused’s wheelchair was pushed into courtroom two. He was wearing a grey sweater and a fawn gown.

The door leading to the passageway to the cells was locked and an officer left him sitting in his wheelchair next to the door, about 1.5-metres from where Du Plessis stood. A few moments later, he tried to get up from the wheelchair. He looked tired and sick.

But court officials, including Du Plessis, had seen “the act” before.

Since April 2 2008 when the father was convicted on nine counts of rape and alternative charges of incest, he has caused much drama every time he appeared in court for sentencing.

The accused was found guilty of raping his daughter from 1998 to February 2006 and fathering three children with her

Rape and incest case is put off for 81st time

Rape and incest case is put off for 81st time

HE sentencing of a man convicted of raping and fathering three children with his 13-year-old daughter was postponed for the 81st time in the Nelspruit Regional Court yesterday.

This time because the 54-year-old man’s lawyer, advocate D Chambale, was absent, prosecutor Elise du Plessis told the court.

At 9.24am, the accused’s wheelchair was pushed into courtroom two. He was wearing a grey sweater and a fawn gown.

The door leading to the passageway to the cells was locked and an officer left him sitting in his wheelchair next to the door, about 1.5-metres from where Du Plessis stood. A few moments later, he tried to get up from the wheelchair. He looked tired and sick.

But court officials, including Du Plessis, had seen “the act” before.

Since April 2 2008 when the father was convicted on nine counts of rape and alternative charges of incest, he has caused much drama every time he appeared in court for sentencing.

The accused was found guilty of raping his daughter from 1998 to February 2006 and fathering three children with her

Was it incest or molestation?

Was it incest or molestation?

Basically, I was about 10-11 and my older brother was 13-14. He asked our mum if he could watch a movie in my room with me at bed time, she said yes. We were both lay on my single bed watching the movie…and i’m not sure how it happened..but he made some sort of game saying he could handle my weight whilst lay down or something. I was young and so agreed…
It turned into him lying on top of me, rubbing against me through my pyjamas and kissing me softly.
I was too young to realise how bad it was, and I enjoyed it and didn’t say he couldn’t. I let him I suppose. 

It became a general thing and he would come into my room more frequently to “watch films”.
After a few weeks of this happening, my cousin came over to our house. She was about 6-7 at the time. My brother started to play a ‘game’ with her and my younger brother (who never ended up ‘playing the game’) in his room. He got my cousin to go into his room and made my brother wait outside. I had no idea what the game was, and so knocked onto my older brother’s door and asked if I could play. He said to me to wait outside, but I thought something was weird about it and so opened the door.

I saw my elder brother lay on top of my younger cousin, with his boxers on, and she was facing downwards. He was rubbing against her. I realised it was wrong and so ran downstairs to my mum and aunt (my cousin’s mum) and told them what my brother was doing. They ran upstairs and found out. The police came and my brother went to a police station etc and he had to write a letter (I don’t know what the letter was) and stayed away from my aunty’s family. 

My mum came into my room a few days after and asked me if my brother had done anything to me.
I said no and she left it at that. I don’t know why I said that but for some reason I thought what he did to me was different.

After that, when we went to my dad’s house to visit, we had to share a room. I was young and so didn’t need loads of privacy.

Me and my brother continued to do this.. ‘game’.

Then we grew older and it stopped, I am 13 now and he is 16 and he doesn’t say anything about it at all. He acts like he doesn’t like me towards me (as any teenage boy) and that’s that. 

I’m sorry that this was long but i’ve never told anyone and wanted to tell this story.
So, was it incest? He basically had sex with me, through my pyjamas, but I didn’t stop him. Was I molested? That’s what he got done for, for my cousin. But idk.

I do self harm now and have since I was 12, (I have stopped) but I read that most self harmers were sexually abused ? 

 
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Do you think incest will become less forbidding in years to come?

Do you think incest will become less forbidding in years to come?

Can any one answer ????

When we look back over the years being Gay was frowned upon you wouldn’t dare leave the house holding hands with a gay partner but todays community is less lenient, would you say in another 50 years incest could be looked upon as accepting if two adults are in love and practice safe sex?

 

Father-Daughter Incest

Father-Daughter Incest 

No matter how different are the perspectives from which the crime of incest is seen, analyzed and examined, the common denominator among all cultures throughout history is that incest is looked upon as the most repugnant, disgusting and sickening of all crimes. Father-daughter incest mustn’t be new to us, as countless stories of past times have also testified to its existence. Many victims at the time bore their poignant stories, but could never tell them.

Yet, the hypothesis that should be formed here is: If the father in these situations were religious in the right sense of the word, he would never think of sexually abusing his daughter, let alone rape her. It is not long ago when Mohamed El Aarifi, a Saudi Arabian sheikh, was scorned and harshly castigated for forbidding a daughter to wear tight clothes in the presence of her father for fear that she might tempt him into lusting after her.

In the Quran, Allah condemns and forbids the act of a father marrying his daughter, let alone the act of raping her. We all know this, but the matter lies not in knowing about the prohibition of father-daughter incest, but in the fact that our society isn’t religious enough, given that incest, which we, as responsible Muslims, must decry and do something about, is spreading in a dangerous manner.

For fear of falling into the sin of a father raping his daughter, the sheikh responded by saying that it is forbidden for a father and his daughter to stay in a secluded place when no one is present. The sheikh issued this fatwa by which many Muslims have been taken back on the basis of this hadith  of the Prophet: “Whenever a man is alone with a woman the Devil makes a third.” Hadith – Sahih Bukhari, Book 25, Number 5403.

Although the prophet here referred to a Non-Mahram man and woman (Non-Mahram in Islam refers to non member of the family), the sheikh feared that if the daughter is a beautiful one and no one is present, the father might be tempted by the third Devil into raping her.

What is of greater importance is that despite receiving harsh attacks on his fatwa, Al Arifi at the very least warned against the animalistic sexual desires under whose spell some fathers are in danger of falling. It is self-evident that because of the rarity of father-daughter incest in Muslim countries and because of associating this crime with an ignominious taboo, many Muslims have received the strange yet true fatwa with scorn and disdain.

Many of us have made fun of El Arifi’s statement and come up with scornful comments in protest of his fatwa. We have even begun to distrust the credibility of his fatwa. Many of us have even accused the sheikh of being inordinately fundamentalist and unreasonable. Upon the spread of his video, we instantly deemed him backward and foolish, though he was hinting at a threatening phenomenon tearing-apart homes, that of a father raping his daughter.

Now, however, we are facing the scandal the sheikh once warned about and to which he suggested that we take precautions before it is too late. With the heinous act of father-daughter incest, we remember that El Arifi was right on about what he said. If Arifi’s fatwa was preposterous, how would we account for the shameful phenomenon in question?

If the precaution to which the sheikh raised our awareness were silly and unspeakably strange as many Muslims have described it, how would we account for the number of daughters falling prey to their fathers’ sexually abusive advances?

We are rather blaming those who still consider the issue of incest as a taboo that many think should rather be sealed than be exposed. Among them are the attackers of El Arifi, the mother who resorts to calming down her violated daughter in many cases instead of taking the rapist father to the police and the society that still shamefully turns a blind eye to this thorny issue and does nothing viable as a reaction.

As long as Islam has said a lot about the issue, the only explanation for the spread of incest is not following and obeying the rules of Islam. Perpetrators of incest can rape anyone in sight for the simple reason that Islam, for them, doesn’t restrict them.

Furthermore, silence is the real catalyst to more cases of incest. So long as, we the society, do nothing to recompense the victims and set the strict rules and punishment decreed in the Quran, it will be not be surprising if other cases are reported just as those of the cities of Safi and Kenitra have been. Reporting and disclosing the issue outright can at the very least help decrease the frequency of the phenomenon.

History of Incest 2

History of incest part 2 

I don’t know if many of you have French-kissed your mother. God, it is some thing else. We moved on to oral sex, but it took ages for me to get her to let me enter her,” says Jersey on the Consensual Incest Chat Forum. Incest has a terrible reputation, but really, is it that bad? Yes, having kids with your nearest and dearest will probably result in a baby seeping brains from its asshole, but for a surprisingly large community, screwing your relatives comes as naturally as not screwing them does for the rest of us. MLN from New Mexico says, “There are many of us who are lovers with our sister or daughter. I am a widower and my daughter has replaced my wife as a sex partner. We have a lovely two-and-a-half-year-old daughter.” The forum offers friendly advice on how to seduce your dad (wrestling, apparently), or at what age it is appropriate to give your son head. One mother defends her three-year relationship with her son, saying she didn’t consider him for sex until he turned 18. Another girl has had sex with all three of her brothers, but they all love each other and are now in non-incestuous happy marriages, so what’s the problem? Incestboard.com has over 59,000 registered users accessing the video, photo, and chat content. Perhaps some of these people only fantasize about incest as breaking the ultimate taboo, but others are definitely fucking their way through the family tree. According to the great anthropologist Claude Levi Strauss, the incest taboo forms the foundation of civilization by forcing man to find a mate outside of the home. Other people argue it is has a genetic basis, to lower the incidence of congenital defects caused by inbreeding. However, banging your family is so common throughout history it is present in the mythology of almost every culture. King Arthur had a child, Mordred, with his sister Morgause. Egyptian god lovers Osiris and Iris were brother and sister. Greek gods Zeus and his wife Hera were brother and sister, as were their parents, Cronus and Rhea. The most famous mother-fucker is obviously Oedipus; though that turned out badly for everyone concerned. Incest was encouraged in Egyptian royal families to safeguard the royal bloodline. They were gods, and gods don’t do it with mortals. Cleopatra VII married two of her younger brothers. Her mother and father, Cleopatra V and Ptolemy XII, had also been brother and sister. The Incas and the Hawaiians also practiced incest in their royal families. In the Roman-Egyptian census, brother-sister marriage accounts for about 20 percent of all listed. Even though it was eventually outlawed, that didn’t stop Emperor Caligula having sex with all three of his sisters, Julia Livilla, Drusilla, and Agrippina the Younger–though he was a famous sexual psychopath, so I wouldn’t take his behavior as standard. While the incest taboo exists in most communities throughout history, the definition of what constitutes incest constantly changes. In some Amerindian societies in the Arctic, mothers would routinely stroke the penises of their sons, although this was considered non-sexual, like breast-feeding. For hundreds of years, inbreeding was unavoidable in Iceland due to its then tiny and isolated population. In the 10th century, Pope John XII is said to have taken his niece and his mother as mistresses. Despite anthropologists insistence that the incest taboo is fundamental to human nature, clearly people have been at it forever. Freud famously argued that everyone’s first sexual desires are directed toward their family, while Melanie Klein considers sexual relations between siblings to be virtually the norm. The real taboo is in mentioning that perhaps it is not a taboo at all. Historian Lloyd DeMause argues that incest is universal. He cites examples throughout the world and refers to the old Indian proverb (“For a girl to be a virgin at ten years old, she must have neither brothers, nor cousins, nor fathers”) as an example of how common incest has been. His examples are endless and worldwide: tribes who have sex dormitories where older adolescents initiate younger siblings into sex; households where parents incorporate the children into their sexual activity in one happy family orgy; fathers marrying daughters when the mother dies, and sons marrying mothers when the father dies. While I can’t verify every one of DeMause’s claims and references, clearly it gets darker than sitting on granddad’s knee. The recent case of the German couple, Patrick and Susan, who were separated as children and later met and fell in love, has made headlines. They’ve been together for nine years and have four children, three of whom are in care. He has served time in prison fighting for his right to love his sister. While my gut reaction is this is monumentally fucked up, why is it illegal? The obvious answer is that it increases the chances of passing down bad genes. But by that logic, everyone with a genetic condition should be outlawed from having sex–which is rude. In fact, the impetus behind the 1908 Punishment of Incest Act was just that–the proponents of the act were the same people who advocated the “sterilisation” of the “feeble-minded”. Siblings generally don’t fancy each other due to something call the Westernak effect: Being reared together forms non-erotic bonds. But if you’re itching for incest, apparently you’re not alone. That doesn’t mean the rest of us can’t be completely grossed out by it though.